I know a lot of people seem to laugh me off when I talk about ghosts or how I 'get' information. People can believe whatever they want, think whatever they want. A lot of people are skeptical, I get that. People who don't really know what to think become skeptical listening to other skeptics.
When I listened to this: www.richardwiseman.com/paranormality/ChrisFrench.html I was thinking about that power of suggestion. The guy says that he used to be a believer and became a skeptic after reading something written by another skeptic. The suggestion here is this: "I suggest you believe what I believe". Instead of letting experience guide your beliefs. This is how I feel about skeptics. Like I say, everyone can have their own opinion. I'm not even telling everyone everything because I know it all seems to far fetched. Either you are 'a man (or woman) of science, or faith. There always seems to be a scientific explanation for things, yet there are so many instances where there doesn't seem to be an explanation at all.
Since everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I started reading that book and was reading the opinions of Richard Wiseman. The title itself made me feel like he's a real skeptic. A lot of people want to prove, or rather disprove the paranormal stuff. I'm okay with that because I'd rather the truth be discovered whether it is something that can be explained scientifically or not. I'd rather know one way or another.
It's interesting, I suppose, from that point of view to see what people are saying and why they either believe or not.
There were some things I read I wanted to comment on.
The thing is how they focused a lot on the results of studies. Because only from these studies could they get their 'scientific data'. More of these studies were deemed failures and it was more the norm for these studies to fail.
Also how the power of suggestion can have people 'read more into' something that was said in a conversation for example. I believe there to be meanings that haven't been 'actually implied'. That's the hidden meaning. Like how something doesn't make sense until later on because the meaning hasn't been discovered or uncovered.
The studies I find interesting because the results are of interest to lots of people.
It's really funny about this: On the bus home, I was reading one of those free newspapers, thinking that I like having interesting reading material, not knowing that Sean had suggested something for me to read. In the back of the newspaper is the astrology section and my horoscope said this:
When in doubt today, take the road less traveled.
If you fail to conquer your dream, at least you'll have an exciting story.
It's not always about the result, but rather the process.
It reminds me of the saying that if you keep doing something the same way, you'll always get the same result. You have to do things differently to get a different result. Maybe, just maybe, the studies failed not because the results weren't right, but because the process wasn't right.
I do enjoy science, if there is a scientific explanation for things, then it helps to make sense of it. (And making sense of something all depends on the interpretation of the findings.)
I'm not saying that I think I'm psychic. I don't really believe I have any 'special abilities' or 'skills'. I can't see ghosts, but that doesn't mean that I don't feel 'something' (a change in the surrounding energy). That 'egocentric thinking' could be a good reason WHY some people BELIEVE. But I'm not one to pretend that I'm something I'm not. I believe for my own reasons. I try to test my theories when I can and I often don't do any 'tests'. I ask questions. Not because I'm a skeptic, but because like other people, I want to have some sort of 'meaning'. Okay, I will agree that people can 'create' 'meaning' out of meaninglessness, but if there is a connection to something, there could be meaning associated with the connection. That is what I look for. The kind of info I get seems vague and could mean anything and can possibly mean nothing at all. The thing is that I don't know whether or not it means something or not because I have to ask those questions that are hard to ask to get the answers. One of the reasons I think there could be meaning if because I got a certain name whereas I could have gotten another name.
You know how radios can pick up on different signals at different frequencies? I think that the mind can work that way, too. I think it's like this: you have to have a certain frequency to pick up on a certain signal. You can turn the dial and pick up almost anything from anywhere. You can even get different frequencies like how you can be on a radio receiver and pick up on a signal from a telephone. But radio receivers aren't meant for telephones. Telephones are meant for telephones. Radios are meant for radios. They shouldn't mix, but they can and they do. It's something along those lines.
How is that even possible? I believe that it is connected to energy. It's everywhere around us and most of us don't know all the ways it can work or all the things it can do or be used for. Mind power = energy.
Thought waves (or brainwaves) = energy. Heat = energy. Without energy not even the smallest signal could be transmitted or received. Mind manipulation isn't about manipulating the mind, it is about manipulating the energy that the mind uses and the way the mind uses it.
Anyone can make vague statements like: You will travel to some place and the name of the place will start with the letter B. It is vague because there are lots of places that could start with the letter B. But if they gave more specific information, I'd be more inclined to wonder how they got that information.
I went to see a psychic at a psychic fair because it was my first time seeing one and I wanted to try it out. It was so long ago that I don't remember a lot about what she said. The things that she was right about, I remember those because she was right. That goes for a lot of people and I was reading that in the book. How people cling to the things that were proven right and forget the things they were wrong about. The thing is I feel that the things that could be 'wrong' could be meant for something else and could be 'right' in other contexts. That's why some people think some things as being too vague, because they could also be applied and should probably be applied elsewhere.
While I was traveling on the bus, around strangers, I got vibes. Mostly names. Of course, how do you strike up a conversation and try to make it seem normal enough to work your way up to asking those questions. I like having 'volunteers' because I like conducting my own experiments. If I'm wrong, fine, okay, no big deal. If I'm right, I want to know why and how I got the information.
The information is just the result. The how is the process. The why is the explanation.
I'm still going to keep reading the book, but I'll say this: I'd rather be a believer or at least have an open mind than just being so skeptical as to try to tell other people why they shouldn't believe.
The word agnostic came up, too. Sort of half-way between believer and non-believer. "I have to see it to believe it" way of thinking. Experience is the only way to really make one's mind up. I can say I believe in my experiences because I'm the one who experienced it.
When I listened to this: www.richardwiseman.com/paranormality/ChrisFrench.html I was thinking about that power of suggestion. The guy says that he used to be a believer and became a skeptic after reading something written by another skeptic. The suggestion here is this: "I suggest you believe what I believe". Instead of letting experience guide your beliefs. This is how I feel about skeptics. Like I say, everyone can have their own opinion. I'm not even telling everyone everything because I know it all seems to far fetched. Either you are 'a man (or woman) of science, or faith. There always seems to be a scientific explanation for things, yet there are so many instances where there doesn't seem to be an explanation at all.
Since everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I started reading that book and was reading the opinions of Richard Wiseman. The title itself made me feel like he's a real skeptic. A lot of people want to prove, or rather disprove the paranormal stuff. I'm okay with that because I'd rather the truth be discovered whether it is something that can be explained scientifically or not. I'd rather know one way or another.
It's interesting, I suppose, from that point of view to see what people are saying and why they either believe or not.
There were some things I read I wanted to comment on.
The thing is how they focused a lot on the results of studies. Because only from these studies could they get their 'scientific data'. More of these studies were deemed failures and it was more the norm for these studies to fail.
Also how the power of suggestion can have people 'read more into' something that was said in a conversation for example. I believe there to be meanings that haven't been 'actually implied'. That's the hidden meaning. Like how something doesn't make sense until later on because the meaning hasn't been discovered or uncovered.
The studies I find interesting because the results are of interest to lots of people.
It's really funny about this: On the bus home, I was reading one of those free newspapers, thinking that I like having interesting reading material, not knowing that Sean had suggested something for me to read. In the back of the newspaper is the astrology section and my horoscope said this:
When in doubt today, take the road less traveled.
If you fail to conquer your dream, at least you'll have an exciting story.
It's not always about the result, but rather the process.
It reminds me of the saying that if you keep doing something the same way, you'll always get the same result. You have to do things differently to get a different result. Maybe, just maybe, the studies failed not because the results weren't right, but because the process wasn't right.
I do enjoy science, if there is a scientific explanation for things, then it helps to make sense of it. (And making sense of something all depends on the interpretation of the findings.)
I'm not saying that I think I'm psychic. I don't really believe I have any 'special abilities' or 'skills'. I can't see ghosts, but that doesn't mean that I don't feel 'something' (a change in the surrounding energy). That 'egocentric thinking' could be a good reason WHY some people BELIEVE. But I'm not one to pretend that I'm something I'm not. I believe for my own reasons. I try to test my theories when I can and I often don't do any 'tests'. I ask questions. Not because I'm a skeptic, but because like other people, I want to have some sort of 'meaning'. Okay, I will agree that people can 'create' 'meaning' out of meaninglessness, but if there is a connection to something, there could be meaning associated with the connection. That is what I look for. The kind of info I get seems vague and could mean anything and can possibly mean nothing at all. The thing is that I don't know whether or not it means something or not because I have to ask those questions that are hard to ask to get the answers. One of the reasons I think there could be meaning if because I got a certain name whereas I could have gotten another name.
You know how radios can pick up on different signals at different frequencies? I think that the mind can work that way, too. I think it's like this: you have to have a certain frequency to pick up on a certain signal. You can turn the dial and pick up almost anything from anywhere. You can even get different frequencies like how you can be on a radio receiver and pick up on a signal from a telephone. But radio receivers aren't meant for telephones. Telephones are meant for telephones. Radios are meant for radios. They shouldn't mix, but they can and they do. It's something along those lines.
How is that even possible? I believe that it is connected to energy. It's everywhere around us and most of us don't know all the ways it can work or all the things it can do or be used for. Mind power = energy.
Thought waves (or brainwaves) = energy. Heat = energy. Without energy not even the smallest signal could be transmitted or received. Mind manipulation isn't about manipulating the mind, it is about manipulating the energy that the mind uses and the way the mind uses it.
Anyone can make vague statements like: You will travel to some place and the name of the place will start with the letter B. It is vague because there are lots of places that could start with the letter B. But if they gave more specific information, I'd be more inclined to wonder how they got that information.
I went to see a psychic at a psychic fair because it was my first time seeing one and I wanted to try it out. It was so long ago that I don't remember a lot about what she said. The things that she was right about, I remember those because she was right. That goes for a lot of people and I was reading that in the book. How people cling to the things that were proven right and forget the things they were wrong about. The thing is I feel that the things that could be 'wrong' could be meant for something else and could be 'right' in other contexts. That's why some people think some things as being too vague, because they could also be applied and should probably be applied elsewhere.
While I was traveling on the bus, around strangers, I got vibes. Mostly names. Of course, how do you strike up a conversation and try to make it seem normal enough to work your way up to asking those questions. I like having 'volunteers' because I like conducting my own experiments. If I'm wrong, fine, okay, no big deal. If I'm right, I want to know why and how I got the information.
The information is just the result. The how is the process. The why is the explanation.
I'm still going to keep reading the book, but I'll say this: I'd rather be a believer or at least have an open mind than just being so skeptical as to try to tell other people why they shouldn't believe.
The word agnostic came up, too. Sort of half-way between believer and non-believer. "I have to see it to believe it" way of thinking. Experience is the only way to really make one's mind up. I can say I believe in my experiences because I'm the one who experienced it.
Honestly Abby, the book is really worth the read - at the very least to give you a different perspective on the supernatural - You're right, the guy is a skeptic - but let me clarify a couple things.
ReplyDeleteKeeping an open mind also means keeping open the possibility that something could be explained by Science and experimentation.
A skeptic typically, constantly looks for answers and they will change their opinion if you can show them they were wrong. On the other hand a believer has made a decision about their experiences already. In a sense the skeptic is more open minded than the believer. But we're all people and subject to our confirmation biases.
The thing about experience is that we cannot, as human beings, trust our own experiences.
- Our brains don't have perfect recall memory. We have to fill in the details of what we're missing with our imagination. (right or wrong) - most often we see this in court cases.
- We have hyperactive facial detection (we see faces in everything) because we used to be hunted by other animals and millions of years ago, if you thought you saw a face looking at you it's better to run and not be eaten than to wait around and confirm it's a lion.
if we could actually trust our experiences we'd almost never make a bad decision...Magic shows would not be magic..
Anyway there's all sorts of reasons we can't really trust our experiences but, more important than that is that we chase down every possible natural cause for our experiences and I'll tell you why...Ghost contact in it's current state is very vague (you've said so yourself and I've seen it a few times when I've visited a psychic that they don't get definaite answers)...lines of communication are often obscured. So, if Ghosts, spirits and paranormal actually exist, imagine if we could harness science to communicate in a more reliable way?
I will read the book. I got to page 31 the first time I started reading it. It is interesting. I just don't agree with a lot of it.
ReplyDeleteSkepticism bothers me a bit. It sucks the pleasure out of having something to believe in.
If none of this actually exists, it means I'm losing my mind. I'd rather not think that I'm just going crazy.
There is scientific proof that ghosts do exist. But people want to say that it's been faked or whatever because they don't want to believe it.
I'm not saying I fully trust my experiences or that I think my experiences were 100% real. Maybe I see things that aren't there. Maybe I hear voices in my head that aren't real. Maybe I've just been socially alone so long that I don't even care what anyone thinks.
Science could be one of the only ways to find 'the process' that works. But I know that it has to do with ENERGY. I don't think people would even know anything about energy if it weren't for science.
I dunno...I'm pretty skeptical about ghosts and god and stuff. I don't really feel hard done by for not believing in this stuff. Mostly I put my "faith" in people and that gives me pleasure....especially when my faith is confirmed.. :)
ReplyDeleteIf none of this supernatural stuff is true I wouldn't say it means you're losing you mind. LOTS of people believe in ghosts who aren't losing their mind...My own mother has some ideas that the dead can influence the world..whether she's losing her mind or not is debatable..:P but she's not crazy.
It's so hard to sort through all the information out there..you simply can't do it so, a lot of us go with what our experiences tell us not knowing that our brains can fool us..it's a natural thing to do, not crazy at all and most of the time it's the right thing to do.
We're basically saying the same thing...let science find it if it exists.
Anyway, one of my favourite parts of that book was the author describing what happens when you go to sleep...the hallucinations, the incubus/succubus myth and the condition that my wife has in which she see's spiders sometimes when she's about to fall asleep. its similar to seeing someone standing at the end of your bed. Margo told me she was diagnosed with the spiders thing at a sleep clinic and I've seen her freak out because "spiders were coming". For something like that and people like me, the book was really cool...otherwise I might have thought she was crazy :P ;P kidding.
Sean the Skeptic, yup, that's you. Faith in people... But ghosts were people, they're just dead now.
ReplyDeleteThe Spiders actually are coming, but don't tell Margo that. People swallow like an average of six spiders in their life time while sleeping. I forget who told me that.
My mom has these bed sheets that have stars on them and she doesn't use them often because at night, she wakes up screaming because she mistakes them for spiders.
Did you ever see that episode of Alf when they were getting chased around the house by the spider that come to earth in Alf's spaceship? That's one of the only episodes I can remember. I used to have Alf PJs when I was 7 or 8 years old.